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Post by intrepid on Thu May 12, 2016 6:07 pm

For the period 01/05/16 – 07/05/16 SEVENTEEN’s Pretty U has dropped 32 positions in the Digital Chart to #43 while in the Download Chart it has dropped 26 positions to #31 with  39,909 downloads for ‘Pretty U,’ the other songs from the album are no longer charting so this brings the total for Pretty U after 2 weeks to 135, 499 downloads and for all downloads from their new album the total is 272,746.

In the Streaming Chart ‘Pretty U’dropped 13 places to #57 with 1,166,130 streams, on the Back Ground Music chart BGM ‘Pretty U’ dropped 68 places to #91, and in the weekly Mobile Chart for ringtones ‘Pretty U’ dropped 19 places to #76.

In the Album Charts ‘LOVE&LETTER’ dropped 1 place to #2 while ’17 CARAT’ dropped 2 places to #34 and ‘BOYS BE’ rose 26 places to #25.

The monthly Album totals are…
‘LOVE&LETTER’ is number #1 with 132,402 totals albums sold.
`17 CARAT` rose 3 places to #35 with 2137 albums sold in April bringing the total for the year to 8774.
`BOYS BE` dropped 12 places to #36 with 2046 albums sold in April bringing the total for the year to 14,620.

SEVENTEEN’s total album sales are now…
`BOYS BE` 131,243 + 2046 = 133,289
`17 CARAT` 57,086 + 2137 = 59,223
Total album sales 132,402 + 133,289 + 59,223 = 324,914

According to ASIA Numbers…

“【ORICON】Seventeen's 1st album "LOVE&LETTER" is rockin' japanese charts!

1st week: 11,725 copies sold
2nd week: 4,303 copies sold (Total: 16,028)

"LOVE&LETTER" is now Seventeen's best-selling release in Japan. The previous record was held by "MANSAE" which sold 8,415 copies during 2015.”

On Billboards World Albums chart for the week of May 21, 2016 ‘LOVE&LETTER dropped 4 places to #7

On SEVENTEEN’S Youtube channel Pretty U has 1,644,271 views, Q&A has 1,392,099 views, Mansae has 12,177,082 views and Adore U has 9,486,514 views.
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Re: [Discussion]General musings, speculations & observations thread

Post by intrepid on Thu May 19, 2016 10:56 pm

For the period 08/05/16 – 14/05/16 SEVENTEEN’s Pretty U has dropped 13 positions in the Digital Chart to #56 while in the Download Chart it has dropped 22 positions to #53 with 26,974 downloads for ‘Pretty U,’ this brings the total for Pretty U after 3 weeks to 162, 473 downloads and for all downloads from their new album the total is 299,720.

In the Streaming Chart ‘Pretty U’ dropped 8 places to #65 with 1,000,069 streams.

In the Album Charts ‘LOVE&LETTER’ dropped 6 places to #8 while ’17 CARAT’ dropped 18 places to #52 and ‘BOYS BE’ dropped 22 places to #47.

On SEVENTEEN’S Youtube channel Pretty U has 1,788,392 views, Q&A has 1,408,321 views, Mansae has 12,372,460 views and Adore U has 9,591,527 views.

In other somewhat related news HelloVenus dropped their latest song GLOW which seems to be a non-promoted digital release plus music video, it didn’t chart at all; it looks like Fantagio is taking the roundabout way of bringing HV back to their original concept by trying everything else along the way, it seems to be failing big time.

Pledis Girlz held their first free weekly concert which had no trouble filling the venue despite the modest numbers allowed, they also introduced three girls who didn’t appear on Produce 101 who seem to make up the vocal/rap line of the group and after watching the fancams they sound amazing! If they sound this good in fancams they are going to sound even better on music shows; they also performed two new songs BE ALRIGHT and ROLLERCOASTER which were very good.

Because security didn’t allow filming there aren’t very many good video’s but here are the best ones I’ve found, they are MinKyeong focus but still they show what these girls can do.





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Post by intrepid on Thu May 26, 2016 12:54 am

Found another fancam of Pledis Girlz this time a cover in English of 'Stand Up For Love' featuring three girls of the vocal line and damn they are good, I'm mean "really" good, they almost overpower the audio system with their vocals and you can still tell they're holding back, it's like three Aliee's together! Shocked

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Post by intrepid on Thu May 26, 2016 11:03 pm

For the period 15/05/16 – 21/05/16 SEVENTEEN’s Pretty U is the same in the Digital Chart at #56 while in the Download Chart it’s up 4 positions to #49 with 24,298 downloads for ‘Pretty U,’ this brings the total for Pretty U after 4 weeks to 186,771 downloads and for all downloads from their new album the total is 324,018.

In the Streaming Chart ‘Pretty U’ dropped 2 places to #67 with 1,018,520 streams.

In the Album Charts ‘LOVE&LETTER’ rose 2 places to #6 while ’17 CARAT’ rose 11 places to #41 and ‘BOYS BE’ rose 12 places to #35.

On SEVENTEEN’S Youtube channel Pretty U has 1,899,701 views, Q&A has 1,424,676 views, Mansae has 12,563,257 views and Adore U has 9,693,083 views.
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Re: [Discussion]General musings, speculations & observations thread

Post by intrepid on Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:22 pm

For the period 22/05/16 – 28/05/16 SEVENTEEN’s Pretty U dropped 15 places in the Digital Chart to #71 while in the Download Chart it’s down 22 positions to #71 with 22,764 downloads, this brings the total for Pretty U after 5 weeks to 209,535 downloads and for all downloads from their new album the total is 346,782.

In the Streaming Chart ‘Pretty U’ dropped 5 places to #72 with 933,001 streams.

In the Album Charts ‘LOVE&LETTER’ rose 4 places to #2 while ’17 CARAT’ rose 1 places to #40 and ‘BOYS BE’ dropped 2 places to #37.
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Post by intrepid on Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:54 am

For the period 29/05/16 – 04/06/16 SEVENTEEN’s Pretty U has dropped 14 positions in the Digital Chart to #85 while in the Download Chart it has dropped 15 positions to #86 with  20,237 downloads for ‘Pretty U,’ this brings the total for Pretty U after 6 weeks to 229,772 downloads and for all downloads from their new album the total is 367,019.

In the Streaming Chart ‘Pretty U’dropped 7 places to #79 with 869,604 streams, and for the month of May they are at #66 with 4,531,758 total streams.

In the Album Charts ‘LOVE&LETTER’ dropped 5 place to #7 while ’17 CARAT’ dropped 1 places to #41 and ‘BOYS BE’ dropped 9 places to #46.
For the month of May Seventeen’s ‘LOVE&LETTER’ has dropped 6 places to #7 selling an additional 46,848 albums for the month while `BOYS BE` dropped 5 places to #41 selling another 1682 albuums and `17 CARAT` dropped 18 places to #53 selling 1383 albums for the month.

SEVENTEEN’s total album sales are now…

‘LOVE&LETTER’ 132,402 + 46,848 = 179,250
`BOYS BE` 122,784(2015) + 16,302(2016 so far) = 139,086
`17 CARAT` 52,738(2015) + 10,157(2016 so far) = 62,895
Total album sales to date 179,250 + 139,086 + 62,895 = 381,231

On SEVENTEEN’S Youtube channel Pretty U has 2,106,790 views, Q&A has 1,456,757 views, Mansae has 12,945,523 views and Adore U has 9,894,978 views.
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Re: [Discussion]General musings, speculations & observations thread

Post by OKDR on Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:26 pm

OMG, props on the girls for choosing Brandy's Slower for her dance segment.

I have mixed feelings about everything.

Regarding HelloVenus, they seem to be failing because they missed their big chance to succeed as one of the remarkable girl groups from their debut year. Everything got lost after the disagreement, and any attempts to get back at it, once their sexy videos seemed to go viral, got reduced to nothing, because the newest groups completely over-shadowed them. Is a pity, because I still find the current line-up solid enough to pull any concepts, but Fantagio also seems to have so many groups on its hands now (not those many, but it seems they can't focus equally on each one of them).

And Pledis Girlz, is something that makes me happy. They seem to be working hard towards a debut. Right now, is like they are being modeled to become the female SEVENTEEN as well as to be able to join the army of TWICE, OMG, Cosmic Girls and such, to compete both in the Korean and Chinese market, that has seen larger groups appear ever since SNH48 started getting some things right (although there's a huge trouble with their agency Star48 and AKS right now, because they expanded without consent), and others like Lunar and 1931 appeared on the map.

However, on the other hand, it gives me insecurities towards where After School is heading. It seems the members are relevant but not the group right now. And I don't see any hints at Pledis wanting to mantain that project in the future. It is even unclear to me if the next girls to expire contract will follow Jung Ah and Juyeon.

I am glad Raina is doing another special collabo with San E, but I am also wondering where will this bring her. I am sad that her solo career doesn't get the deserved attention, and that it doesn't seem to push an After School come back ahead either.

I am also unsure about whether it's good that SEVENTEEN surpasses their sunbaes. I mean NU'EST. I am happy that they, at least, grabbed 1 mutizen, but I am not sure what will the feelings among NU'EST be. There's that chance they might feel like a failure, despite of feeling glad for them, because no matter what they try, they always seem to be unable to break that wall.

I still believe Pledis needs to step up their game, but focus on each 1 of their acts, so no one feels left out or like a failure, despite they do try so hard not to. So there will be no more acts leaving, because their chances at succeeding and making it big are smaller if they stay.

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Re: [Discussion]General musings, speculations & observations thread

Post by intrepid on Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:20 am

7 Year Jinx and Why I think After School is probably over  Sad  opinion piece.

The 7 year jinx refers to the fact that most Kpop groups have a 7 year contract and when that contract is up for renewal the group most likely disbands, the reason for the disbandment can vary but I believe it is mostly because of an inherent flaw in the Kpop system which isn’t about music but popularity.

Kpop markets music extremely well, the South Korean market is very small yet despite that small size dominates an increasingly global market even in the face of the fact they sing in a language that is geographically exclusive to themselves; this marketing campaign starts by focusing on their target audience which are teenagers and that’s why most groups start out very young in age themselves and usually with a pure and innocent image.

Boy bands tend to do better than girl bands because teenage girls tend to be the most fervent fans but girl bands that can appeal to girls as well also tend to do better than those that only try to appeal to guys, but regardless which side of the coin a group is trying to grab there is a built in time limit that fans can sustain themselves which is usually when they hit their early twenties, that’s when university, dating and work and all the minutia of life intrude to push out the fever of fandom; so if you start out at fifteen as a fan then in about five years or so you’ll probably follow less and less music which is about the same time most groups also start the downward trend in popularity.

You’ll would probably have noticed that the bands that debut and have early success tend to get “group” CF’s and endorsements but after the first year or so that gets whittled down to one or two of the most attractive members and rarely do the other members get the same opportunities again unless they (the group) put out another massive hit.
That is also “intentional” and part of the “flaw” that I mentioned above and will explain in more detail; a Kpop group requires a combination of factors to succeed, of course they need to sing well, they also need to be uniquely attractive and be able to dance, and while some groups have members that have some or all of these qualities there are members that just don’t seem to fit in a “music group” and that's because they aren’t there as musicians but as models or actors.

Music doesn’t make much money in Korea unless you are top tier and most popular group members make only as much money as the average office worker off music, digital downloads are really cheap, cheaper than the equivalent iTunes download and to make matter worse that is declining in favour of streaming which returns even less to the artist and this is why album sales make a huge impact as well as the overseas market.

The “intention” and the “flaw” come into play here because not every member is going to be “popular” no matter how well a company promotes them and its they who miss out on the spoils after the group transitions from “group popularity” to “individual popularity” and that inevitably creates problems because they are left to fend for themselves while the group hiatuses to take advantage of the individual “popular members” who are actually the ones bringing in the real money.

If I was to speculate I would guess Nana probably made more money in the last year than probably the vast majority of her music career, how do I know? Well Son Dambi was reported to have made $420,000 USD for being the exclusive model for Enprani in 2011, that’s “one” endorsement and she doesn’t have to share it with other people and only Pledis gets the managing cut, not bad for just looking pretty, Nana is endorsing a Chinese makeup brand, Xtep, sketchers plus others at the moment I can’t even remember and she never seems be short of offers and that’s even with After School being off the Korean scene for three years, Nana no longer needs the popularity of AS to get work because it’s become self-sustaining.
This was the “intention” of putting someone like Nana in AS in the first place because the fee that Pledis earns off her requires little to no capital investment on their part and the more money she makes the more they make, and as a business which exists to make money this is good for Pledis as it feeds growth and stainability, but the “flaw” is that it means Nana might choose this career over her singing career because it makes her more money and requires less effort and because Pledis “wants” to keep her happy and for both of them to make money that starts to push the music part of her career off to the side.

But Nana’s modelling career is also finite and will diminish when she hits her thirties so she is embarking on another career which is acting, the process of choice for singing idols who want to have an entertainment career after their music career fades, and while she has had various stabs at acting, this year seems to be her first foray into a serious role and if she does well or gets praised for it this could lead to more offers which again also puts a wedge between her music career and the path she is currently choosing for herself.

This brings us to the other “popular” member of AS, Uee, she “is” a serious actor and over the last couple of years has done some very good roles which have garnered her a lot of praise with her last drama consistently winning its ratings slot, and even though Uee has been acting for a while it has only had a small impact on AS activities but as more and better roles have come in she has devoted more of her time to acting, and like Nana and modelling, acting brings in good money for Uee who also does a lot of modelling as well, and because she is already in the age bracket for a career change Uee will go into acting full time very soon probably this very year I would guess.

The reason I mention this is because I want people to understand something fundamental, when a Kpop group starts out all the members are on the same page with the same goal and the same dream, but as time passes the individual desires and ambitions start to come to the fore and cracks appear as the company managing them is no longer just juggling a “group career” but several “individual” ones as well and we also have to understand that the company isn’t deliberately trying to vex us, there is no “dungeon,” what we are experiencing is the natural evolution that every Kpop band goes through and why 7 years is the cut-off point.

After School débuted in 2009 and peeked in 2011-2012 and this is the point where group activities started to gradually give way to individual ones and 2013-2014 (Korea/Japan) marked the end of most of After Schools group activities, they rarely did shows anymore as a group or concerts and even their last reality show ‘After School’s Beauty Bible’ was marked more by the absences of most of the members with only half the group being on it most of the time and they being the least popular members because of the rest individual schedules.

But After School was supposed to be the group that bucks the trend, it had a built in failsafe to protect it from the 7 year jinx, it was called the “graduation system!” Yes that much maligned system that the fans complain about even though it isn’t forced, even though that without members like Raina and Nana joining they probably wouldn’t have won their first trophy, the system that if it didn’t exist would have meant AS disbandment years ago, yep “that” graduation system.

Putting in new members can have a positive effect, they can breathe new life into a group, give it new options and broaden its appeal, and this is exactly what happened when Uee, Raina, Nana and Lizzy joined, each had unique qualities that made them fan favourites and gave AS even broader appeal but the last two additions were not as big a hit; E-Young was a musical instrument virtuoso which was played up when she first joined and they pushed the “rock chick” angle, while AS is a band it isn’t one that plays instruments other than in one offs, E-Young’s strengths were not going to be used to any great effect by AS so as soon as the novelty wore off so E-Young was forced to fall back on her natural charms to help promote AS, unfortunately her overall being is pretty meh; don’t get me wrong I’m not saying she is terrible but she lacks the personality of Nana or Lizzy that would make her popular on variety shows, she’s pretty but not to the extent that she’s really noticed or can get jobs modelling, her singing is good but not good enough to be a soloist and while she dances very well again not to the extent that it stands out, without her instruments she really is invisible compared to the other girls and while fans criticised Pledis for not promoting her more as being the reason for her lack of recognition I would strongly disagree, she’s had plenty of opportunities it’s just that she doesn’t have that “it” factor that makes you pay attention to her and no matter how much Pledis tried she was never going to stand out, it’s unfortunate but that’s how it goes sometimes. KaEun also suffers from the same problem, and while she’s more model like material than E-Young and has a more engaging personality she has nearly all the same drawbacks that E-Young has and again it not because Pledis didn’t promote her, they did, but again like E-Young she didn’t stand out and those opportunities don’t come around again if you fail to appeal yourself.

I wouldn’t say their lack of appeal was much of a problem but when you have large personalities like Kahi and Bekah leaving it does create a vacuum that isn’t properly filled, and this is where the induction/graduation system started to fail because without the new blood bringing in new fans then the group doesn’t get to renew itself. But the point where I think the system failed was when Juyeon left and wasn’t replaced, here you clearly have a need that wasn’t filled, I argued at the time that if Pledis had done so this would have been a sign that Pledis believed in AS’s future and not doing so sent the opposite message; I don’t know why she wasn’t replaced, maybe the other girls didn’t want another member, maybe Pledis didn’t have anyone suitable, who knows, but now that Jung Ah has left, Pledis did make the statement about possible additions while in talks with the other members.

Uee’s contract is supposed to be due this year, in fact if the calculations are correct it has already run out in April but we have yet to hear anything which is part of the course but two months is a long time not to hear anything, but the possible reason is Uee hasn’t decided anything as yet because she’s on a break or she is still evaluating the no doubt numerous offers from other companies; I doubt that she is going to continue in AS, her path is clearly acting and she is at the age singing idols make that change so I doubt anyone is going to be surprised by that announcement when it comes, in fact I’m going to predict that the next Uee announcement we hear is that she’s signed with a big acting company.

Nana and Raina’s contracts should be due about October which is a mere four months away and despite the fact that they hinted at an OC comeback this summer that is looking less likely to me with only two month left until that ends in September; Raina is promoting with San E from June 17th to sometime in July and Nana’s TV show The Good Wife starts on July 8th and will probably go 8 weeks if it’s the standard length of 16 episodes and aired twice weekly meaning it will finish sometime in September after summer has finished and one month before their contracts run out, it’s not impossible but I don’t see how they can squeeze it in unless it’s just a digital track but then why bother at all since such tracks rarely do well.

Nana as I’ve said before doesn’t need AS or OC to advance her career anymore and acting is something she has stated in the past as an active goal which is now coming to fruition, it’s clear she’ll wants to do more and more acting and her modelling career is so strong she can afford to build up her acting credibility slowly while still being popular and making bank, if anything her singing career is getting in the way of that because it takes up a large part of her time with little financial reward other than popularity which she already has. Raina is a singer and that’s her strength and she’s been trying to be known as a soloist with some success so I see her continuing along that path but to be really successful a company like Jellyfish or even Brandnew would offer her better opportunities to make the sort of music she likes to do but she can still do that under Pledis but if Nana leaves she’ll probably leave as well and that’s it for OC, and AS is dead because there would be no point trying to rebuild an old group that’s in its twilight years and no longer has its most popular and talented members.

If Pledis had put in new younger members when Juyeon had left taking into consideration Jung Ah and Uee leaving in the near future at that point AS could have renewed itself by bringing it back to the music rather than the individual members activities, it could have meant regular comebacks as most of the girls would be on the same page with the same goal again, but at this point I think it’s too late, AS has been away too long and too many up and comers have moved in and I doubt Pledis wants to sacrifice any of its trainees from Pledis Girlz to try and prop up AS especially if as I believe Nana at the very least is going to leave this year and maybe Raina as well, it would be as pointless as pumping up a flat tyre with the hole still in it and be a waste of whoever that girl(s) are to join a group that’s loosing members especially when it looks like Pledis is going to debut them soon in a new group anyway.

Because of Uee and Nana’s popularity and money making potential Pledis now has to compete with other companies for their contracts but while Pledis helped create their popularity it’s still a relatively small company and when competing with the sort of companies that will no doubt be bidding on them I doubt Pledis has the financial ability to match what those other companies will offer; while I can’t say with certainty that Nana or Raina will leave at the end of their contracts let me quote from Cube where 4Minute just disbanded. A rep said, “As the contract end date approaches, the members have been in discussions for renewal, but while the agency tried to persuade them to continue the group, it ended up accepting the decision by the five members that they will not continue as a group.” The rep adds, “Due to the different opinion of the members, for all intents and purposes, the group will disband.” This is relevant in that 4Minute was more of a “true” music group than After School in that the members were more focused on music than outside activities like acting and modelling, they still did those things but not to the same extent that the AS girls do and because of that they were more consistently active year to year than what AS was and like what Pledis had said Cube still wanted them to continue in that capacity and yet it was the girls themselves that said no; what I’m getting from the reps statement is that all the girls had different ideas on what they wanted to do and it would have made continuing as a group difficult because their individual activities would get in the way, much like what’s already happening with the AS members as individual activities here are making it hard for them to come together as a group.

It’s clear that a lot of AS members are forging ahead with new careers and those careers are incompatible with regular comebacks, just getting all the girls in the same place for any activity is next to impossible, even getting the OC girls together recently for a song off against Red Velvet resulted in only two being able to attend with Nana busy with another schedule, how can Nana’s acting/endorsements/modelling and Raina’s solo music and KaEun’s DJing and Lizzy’s variety show appearances coexist with the long training of both AS and OC comebacks, it’s just too much especially when the group is now in its twilight years, something has to give and 4Minute just gave us a glimpse on the thinking involved, if the group isn’t working then disband!

I think Nana has already given us a hint on what she thinks the outcome is going to be when she deleted “After School_Orange Caramel” from her Instagram which has 1.3 million followers with no explanation even after she was bombarded with please explains from fans, maybe this was the closest hint she could do that wouldn’t violate her contractual obligations so us fans could prepare ourselves.

I love After School, it was the first Kpop band I ever saw and they awed me with their music, performance, visuals and quirky personality’s, they also introduced me to the world of Kpop with bands Like Kara, 4Minute, SECRET, 2NE1, Miss A and F(x) which all debuted around the same time, but now some are gone and some have lost members and some seem on the brink of going as well, it breaks my heart and all at once, and I think it’s just because AS members joined at different times that we are getting the worst Kpop group death which is slow and drawn out, I want AS to continue I want the OC girls to stay but that doesn’t seem to be what’s going to happen and I just don’t know what to do about it or how to feel, I want to blame someone, I want to blame “Pledis” but while I think Pledis “is” responsible it’s not because they locked up AS in some dungeon or were bad with promotions, it’s because they created a group to succeed which contained the “fatal flaw” that all successful kpop groups have that eventually end them when individual activities overwhelm group ones, AS individual members success is what has brought down AS/OC the group.

We think of AS as a “group” but the reality is they are a group of “individuals” who have their own dreams expectations and goals, even before debut Juyeon flat out said she wanted to be an actor and joining AS was a means to do that and when she left she left to become an actor full stop! Some members like Jung Ah only wanted to sing but despite being a talented singer she never got the recognition that would have sparked a solo career and AS being on hiatus was a burden for her and she even said she couldn’t “just” follow her dream she worried about making a living as well, and this seems to have been a deciding factor in her leaving; Jung Ah was the not only the leader of AS she seems to be its centre as well and social media attests that all the other members love her dearly, while Kahi may have given AS its drive and purpose Jung Ah gave AS it’s heart, she more than anyone was probably the glue keeping AS together but now that we are at the 7 year crisis point is there any hope?

I have tried to look at the current situation objectively and to be honest I don’t see AS continuing because you need the current members to stay and you need to at least add new members because at “this” moment you have OC which are more popular than AS plus two members who are not popular and the chances are Nana at least will probably go and Raina maybe as well; to beat the 7 year jinx and for AS to continue and thrive Pledis needs to add new blood, they need to find the next Nana, Raina and Lizzy to draw new fans in while keeping the original Nana Raina and Lizzy for continuance and to keep the older fans happy, but the odds of that happening are slim and I think even “that” is being generous. 4Minute was a group that I thought would have re-signed because they seemed more focused and less distracted than what AS members currently are plus musically they were very strong but even a group like that just ended, Minzy from 2NE1 left, one of the most popular groups out there who still rank high and yet she left to do her own thing, Kara disbanded and it not like the individual members popularity was that strong that they are doing better now than when they were in a group and yet they still broke up, I think SECRET will also disband this year because like AS the individual members are more focused on themselves than the group.

In conclusion I want to have hope, I want After School to come back in 2017 bigger and stronger than before but I would take just Orange Caramel staying together as a consolation prize, but let’s be honest with ourselves here, is given what we know about recent past history and how the idol industry works do we really believe that is what’s going to happen? Suspect
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Post by OKDR on Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:35 am

That is the same problem I am seeing. Not continuing the flow. I know members got tired of the system, because anytime someone new came, it was a lot of work and re-adjusting, but that also killed pretty much the chances of the entity of AS to continue after the current members decide to leave :\

I think it also explains a lot why they are focusing on Raina so much and not trying anything to push forward the "unkown" members (E-Young & Kaeun).

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Post by OKDR on Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:44 am

With the release of WE, showing they seem to intend to keep Pledis Girlz as they are now (plus Nayeong & Pinky), I am about to finally assume they are dropping AS as a whole group concept :\ and it's pitiful, because it seems they don't even know when's the right timing to officially announce it.

If AS is remaining and comes back later, it will be a trully unexpected and grateful surprise.
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