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Post by arhat on Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:39 am

Now that UEE has left, after the original five members, After School's future now looks uncertain.

After School hasn't come back since 2013, and from the news Lizzy's contract with Pledis is close to expiration, which makes Orange Caramel's future uncertain as well.

Do you guys think that After School and Orange Caramel are over? Even if After School does do a comeback, it won't be the same group as it before obviously. Moreso if the remaining five members' contracts are up for renewal soon, and if most, if not all, decide to leave. Which would leave Pledis no choice but to either disband After School and Orange Caramel, or to introduce a completely new lineup overall.

I also have to note that this forum and the parent website are pretty dead at this point too. The website hasn't updated since last year, and the most recent post on this forum, by PlaybozAdam, was made months ago and was the first since last year.

Sorry if I sound negative, but the way I see it, I think I'm being realistic here.

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Re: Status of After School

Post by intrepid on Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:47 pm

Uee leaving isn’t really a “surprise” since she already said in an interview with Iigan Sports on April 1 2014 "I don't think there's much time left before I graduate from After School. In the past, my ambition to stand on stage rather than to act was strong, but these days, my ambition for acting has grown.  Whenever I think that, I feel that my graduation day is nearing.  I'm not saying I need to graduate right away, but I do feel like I need to pass on my position to my dongsaengs."

For me it’s clear she was going to leave and join an acting agency and I predicted as much over a year ago, the only thing I got wrong is I didn’t know the length of her contract which seems unusual being eight years, the only reason I think she didn’t officially graduate sooner is because Pledis was focusing on her acting career so she didn’t feel the need to do anything about it and just ran out her contract.
As for After school’s future I am not at all hopeful, their last Korean comeback was as you said 2013 which is way too long and any comeback now is like debuting a new group and very difficult and only getting more so the longer they wait but if you want my analysis I think it’s over and done bar the crying.

If I was to make a speculative breakdown and timeline some “evidence” to support this idea I would put it like this; When Jung A graduated Pledis made this statement, "Currently, the company is discussing After School's activities with the other members." That was in January 2016, I’m taking that as a positive statement that Pledis was willing to continue After School in some fashion but in May 2016 Nana removed the tags ‘After School’ and ‘Orange Caramel’ from her instagram account which at the time had 1.3 million followers, while that may mean nothing it’s still a very provocative move by Nana who is more than careful about what she does so I’m taking that as a sign the “talks” about After School didn’t go well and Nana was letting fans know it was over without actually saying “it’s over,” then on September 5th Lizzy said in an interview for her new show “Please Look After My Vanity 2” she said “I thought my source of income had dried up,” and explained, “Now that the end of my contract is nearing, [the company] isn’t giving me any work.” This is an explosive thing to say especially on a photo op for her new job which Pledis obviously got her plus she has had hosting jobs on a car show not long after this which finished around the end of the year plus a new one she’s on now, but I’m taking this as an indication that at least Lizzy thinks Pledis won’t renew her contract or she won’t renew it so Pledis is letting her dangle until it runs out, not a positive indication to be sure. Lastly there was something said by a member of Pristin which is a little bit of a stretch as evidence but bare with me, after losing two members of After School any future would include adding new members given that After Schools whole concept is the graduating one, and to add new members you would have to have trainees ready to go, but all the trainees that anyone even knows about are currently now in Pristin, which goes to what one of the girls said, “The company suddenly said to us one day, do you want to debut together? And that’s how we came to be.” Given that Yebin (Rena) said during Produce 101 that she was worried because going back to her company is no guarantee of debuting to everyone we know in Pledis is now in Pristin means that there is no longer any trainees ready to go to add to After School, at least none we know of.

Could After School continue as five members? Sure that’s possible but you can’t lose anyone else, if Uee had an eight year contract and we assume Nana and Raina and Lizzy do too then Nana and Raina’s contract are due at the end of October or end of November which is only three or four months away, I’ve said this before, they are the line you can’t cross, lose even one of these girls and it’s over for sure.


There is one last thing which I’ve seen that may indicate After School may already be dead and we just don’t know about it but Orange Caramel “may” still exist (maybe because the OC girls have a separate contract for being in OC?)

http://www.pledis.co.kr/html/notice.html?mode=v&bbs_data=aWR4PTYzJnN0YXJ0UGFnZT0mbGlzdE5vPTI2JnRhYmxlPWNzX2Jic19kYXRhJmNvZGU9bm90aWNlJnNlYXJjaF9pdGVtPSZzZWFyY2hfb3JkZXI9||&bgu=view

Everyone but After School is on this poster which seems like a large omission to leave out the longest running group in your company, unless that is it no longer exists. Sad
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Re: Status of After School

Post by PlayboyzAdam on Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:29 am

arhat wrote:Do you guys think that After School and Orange Caramel are over?
Nope Very Happy

arhat wrote:Even if After School does do a comeback, it won't be the same group as it before obviously.
After Schools has never come back the same as their previous promotions. There's always been changes in After School whether it's the evolution of their skills, member lineup, their relationship with each other or this fandom.

arhat wrote:I also have to note that this forum and the parent website are pretty dead at this point too.
I remember Shu saying(on twitter) that ASdaze will be on hiatus.

intrepid wrote:but in May 2016 Nana removed the tags ‘After School’ and ‘Orange Caramel’ from her instagram account which at the time had 1.3 million followers, while that may mean nothing it’s still a very provocative move by Nana
I'm not worried about Nana removing After School from her instagram. In August 2016 Nana made it clear that even though she enjoyed acting and has a strong desire to try other roles and characters, singing is her main job and she wants to stand on stage soon. Even though arrangements haven’t been made for the next comeback yet but once they have, she wants to prepare and come back. See https://www.soompi.com/2016/08/24/nana-reflects-2-year-preparation-future-singing-acting-career/ for more info.

intrepid wrote:then on September 5th Lizzy said in an interview for her new show “Please Look After My Vanity 2” she said “I thought my source of income had dried up,” and explained, “Now that the end of my contract is nearing, [the company] isn’t giving me any work.” This is an explosive thing to say especially on a photo op for her new job which Pledis obviously got her plus she has had hosting jobs on a car show not long after this which finished around the end of the year plus a new one she’s on now, but I’m taking this as an indication that at least Lizzy thinks Pledis won’t renew her contract or she won’t renew it so Pledis is letting her dangle until it runs out, not a positive indication to be sure.
Not sure what Lizzy is doing or trying to do but regardless, it is clear that Pledis is not letting her dangle until her contract runs out as she was suggesting. You've aleady pointed out that Lizzy has already(seemingly at least) contradicted herslef by saying Pledis isn't giving her any more work at an interview for a photoshoot for “Please Look After My Vanity 2” BUT pledis obviously got for her the job and the there were other jobs Pledis got for her after that one. I remember multiple times where Lizzy has been grateful to Pledis and praised them so for her to say that does not seem like a positive indication...or she could have been joking or actually drunk at the the of saying that.

intrepid wrote:Could After School continue as five members?
You've heard me say this before but I'm going to repeat it anyway. After School start with 5 members. 3 core performers and 2 backup singingers/dancers. After School can continued exactly as they have started i.e. 3 core performing members(orange caramel) and 2 backup singers/dancers(E-young and Kaeun).

intrepid wrote:There is one last thing which I’ve seen that may indicate After School may already be dead and we just don’t know about it but Orange Caramel “may” still exist (maybe because the OC girls have a separate contract for being in OC?)

http://www.pledis.co.kr/html/notice.html?mode=v&bbs_data=aWR4PTYzJnN0YXJ0UGFnZT0mbGlzdE5vPTI2JnRhYmxlPWNzX2Jic19kYXRhJmNvZGU9bm90aWNlJnNlYXJjaF9pdGVtPSZzZWFyY2hfb3JkZXI9||&bgu=view

Everyone but After School is on this poster which seems like a large omission to leave out the longest running group in your company, unless that is it no longer exists.
This could be an indication of After School may already be dead(although I don't think that's the case) or it could be an example of Pledis' incompetence. Which ever is the case Pledis deserves to burn for their blasphemy.

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Re: Status of After School

Post by arhat on Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:51 pm

With all due respect PlayboyzAdam, either you are a great fan with great faith, or you're a bit of a fanatic...

Overall, let's wait and see shall we? 4 years is still a long time, and all the members before OC have left both AS and also Pledis altogether. The group's character is going to be quite different if it comes back as is.

I have to note, two members added to OC and it becomes a completely different group that is AS as it is now.

Pledis doesn't list Pristin on its artists page, while After School is listed, and with an outdated lineup...

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Re: Status of After School

Post by intrepid on Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:36 am

PlayboyzAdam, I’m a pessimist and a realist which means I don’t have either much faith or hope that After School is ever going to come back; over the last year after I wrote my opinion piece I’ve have seen the continuation of the second generation girl group decimation, groups that I thought would continue on until the ten year mark like 2NE1 and Sistar, two of the three top tier groups of their generation are no more, being top tier and also being groups more focused on music with members more known for being in the group than what they did out of it I calculated they would extend their contracts, but that didn’t happen.

After School has withdrawn from the music scene completely, in 2014 they still did the music festival circuit as a group, Orange Caramel as well, in 2015 it was mostly Orange Caramel and in 2016/2017 neither.

With no new members and no new music and no music festival circuit to remind people they still exist, After School has lost relevance to the public and they were a mid-tier group at best to start with, they can’t afford to lose touch with their audience and yet they have, and over the last three years they have lost three members, to me it looks grim.

I’ve been increasing my understanding of how kpop works over the last year and everything I’ve learnt only supports my opinion that After School/Orange Caramel is dead, I hope I’m wrong, I wish I’m wrong but I don’t believe I am, anyway we’ll probably find out by the end of the year.
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Re: Status of After School

Post by intrepid on Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:48 am

I need to vent and as dead as this place is it’s about the only place left to do so.

Recently KBS released a list of companies participating in the idol reboot show “The Unit” and Pledis was on that list, given that SEVENTEEN is a top group I don’t expect anyone from them, NU’EST are on a roll finally after P101 and are coming back as a unit in October so they don’t need to go on this show which leaves Pristin and what’s left of After School; given that Pristin is doing ok I doubt they would send anyone from there but who knows, that leaves After School as the likely candidate.

I doubt Pledis is going to send “all” the remaining girls from AS because of conflicts and possible contract renewals so I’ll go down the list of least to most likely to go on the show and why I think it’s not a good idea for AS.

First off Nana won’t be going, she starts filming her first lead role in the drama “Four Sons” which starts filming in November, her acting career is taking off and she would be too busy, also we have to contend with the possibility that her contract if it is the same length as UEE’s will probably end in October – November and I think she’ll go into acting full time when that happens, she could still re-sign with Pledis but UEE proved that no matter how well you’re treated business is business and going to a full acting agency is probably better career wise but we’ll have to see.

Raina, I’m fifty fifty on her going, given her age she probably wants to go full solo, this show would give her valuable exposure but if she got into the project group AS/OC couldn’t make a comeback and she couldn’t establish herself as a soloist, there are pros and cons for her but she joined AS the same time as Nana so probable contract ending.

Lizzy, she is famous enough that going on the show would cause a stir and if Nana and/or Raina leave Pledis left out on a limb so would benefit from the exposure, she joined later than Nana and Raina so no contract renewal problems but it wouldn’t benefit either AS or OC if both are disbanded by either Nana or Raina leaving, I see her as a highly likely candidate to go on the show.

E Young and Kaeun, one or both going on the show I see as very likely, they are the two most underrated members of AS, and if AS is over this gives them a chance at a new start, which brings me back to why I don’t think this is a good idea.

When NU’EST joined P101 there was a storm of protests from their fans saying this is a terrible idea and Pledis should “promote them better,” I was one of the few who argued the opposite and that the exposure it would give them would benefit them, I was right but I factored in that they were still young and that Pledis would be in a position to leverage that benefit by staging a comeback as some sort of group providing that enough of the groups singers were available, with AS Raina is their main vocalist and while the rest are good they can’t carry the group like she can, she is the vocal anchor they need to sound half great and while OC “could” still go on if she stays in Pledis both AS/OC are dead without her and if either Lizzy/E Young or Kaeun join The Unit and succeed in increasing their profile then if either or both Nana or Raina leave AS/OC Pledis can’t make a group out of those three, it just won’t happen.

The other problem I have is both E-Young and Kaeun are just terrible at promoting, people say that their lack of profile is Pledis’s bad promotions, not true, they were promoted plenty, I’ve watched the shows they were on and they just didn’t do anything to stand out so didn’t get the air time they needed and were either edited out or down, in this show they need to stand out and while having the name AS attached to them will give them some guaranteed coverage they need to make sure they stand out enough to take advantage of it, something I don’t have much faith in given their past performance.

In short I don’t see any upside for OC/AS for any member participating in this show, win lose or draw, I don’t see how Pledis could make use of the greater exposure unless Nana and Raina stay in both AS/OC and the rest of the girls make a good enough showing to create anticipation of a comeback but don’t do so well as to get into the project group, this only works well for individual promotions not group promotion unless I’m missing something important, this is why I don’t see this as a good thing for either AS or OC. No
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Re: Status of After School

Post by intrepid on Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:03 am

So E-Young is opening a music academy… at first I wasn’t sure how this bodes for After School, on the one hand she doesn’t do much so probably needs to do something to earn money, on the other if she’s doing this how would it impact on an After School comeback if that’s ever going to happen, what does this mean?  Question

When she posted the first couple of images there wasn’t much details but now the information has come out it’s in Chuncheon which is a city and not a district of Seoul which is what I first thought when I read it, her home town to be exact… E-Young is going home.  Sad

This isn’t to say E-Young isn’t “technically” still in After School but it isn’t likely she’s going back home in a different city to set up and run a business and still be a functioning member of a girl group, she’s also most likely moved out of the dorm because why commute all that way when you have a home there, that only leaves Raina, Lizzy and Kaeun living in the dorm; when did E-Young join AS? April 2011 some time? That means if her contract is seven years it expires next year, who knows, but as I pointed out in the above post if either or both Nana or Raina are due next month and don’t re-sign then it’s over anyway, Pledis would probably release her from the rest of her contract anyway if they haven’t already… I really really really h8 this death by a thousand cuts After School has become.  Evil or Very Mad

So The Unit, it’s probably safe to say though not certain E-Young won’t participate, which leaves maybe Kaeun? I don’t even know anymore, if going on The Unit is a strategy by Pledis to gain some type of promotion for a comeback then it only seems to benefit a solo comeback at this point which means maybe Raina? This is driving me insane, I keep running scenarios in my head to figure it out but none makes any sense at all, After School looks like it’s already dead, the signs all point to that conclusion yet I keep looking for a magical out that probably won’t happen.  scratch
 
It could be that Pledis isn’t sending anyone from AS to The Unit, that’s just a conclusion we fans made because it seemed reasonable and any positive feedback could benefit an AS comeback, but if Nana is acting and Lizzy is starting her new hosting gig and E-Young is gone then why bother with sending Kaeun? It would be easier/cheaper to do nothing then release her from her contract when the point of hiding AS’s disbandment is a moot point, I guess we’ll have to wait and see.  Neutral  study
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Post by arhat on Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:32 am

Can you post up the article that shows E-Young is going back home to Chuncheon to open her music academy?

What I don't like about Wikipedia now is that E-Young's and Kaeun's Wikipedia entries aren't available anymore. One could see that Kaeun is from Seoul before, but not anymore.

That said, I didn't think E-Young would go to The Unit since she hasn't been involved in Pledis activities for a while, at least as far as I've seen. Who knows what will happen to Raina and Kaeun.

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Post by intrepid on Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:51 pm

arhat wrote:Can you post up the article that shows E-Young is going back home to Chuncheon to open her music academy?

What I don't like about Wikipedia now is that E-Young's and Kaeun's Wikipedia entries aren't available anymore. One could see that Kaeun is from Seoul before, but not anymore.

That said, I didn't think E-Young would go to The Unit since she hasn't been involved in Pledis activities for a while, at least as far as I've seen. Who knows what will happen to Raina and Kaeun.

It was mentioned in an allkpop article here…

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2017/09/after-schools-e-young-opens-idol-training-school-e-young-music-academy

To follow up this information to confirm it’s veracity I checked the phone number E-Young posted on her instagram, 033 2557119, “033” is the area code for Gangwon-do a Provence on the East coast, Seoul is on the West coast, Chuncheon is its capital and it is E-Youngs’ home town, there is a high speed train service between Seoul and Chuncheon which takes about an hour one way.

I don’t see any point in E-Young setting up a school to teach music so far away from where she currently lives unless she no longer plans living there, and since that’s where she comes from it makes sense she would move back home with her family which would be entirely in keeping with Korean custom, while some of this is fact some of it is also speculation on my part but it’s so logical 'join the dots' type logic that its plain she leaving Seoul, Pledis and After School behind her.

The Unit’s whole deal is to reboot already debut idols careers, idols that didn’t for whatever reason get the exposure to fully shine, in this context E-Young would be the perfect candidate for such a show especially being that she hasn’t had any activities but this changes that calculation enormously, I don’t see her going on a show to reboot her idol career at the same time she is opening a teaching academy that makes no sense at all.

Raina is plainly trying to go solo, she is a singer after all so her going solo is logical, Kaeun is the mystery, I don’t see her going solo she’s talented but not that talented, she’s DJ’ing at the moment and she did have a small roll in a drama recently, I just don’t know.
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Post by PlayboyzAdam on Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:11 am

intrepid wrote:I’ve been increasing my understanding of how kpop works over the last year and everything I’ve learnt only supports my opinion that After School/Orange Caramel is dead, I hope I’m wrong, I wish I’m wrong but I don’t believe I am, anyway we’ll probably find out by the end of the year.

@intrepid After School isn't like other Kpop groups so the general knowledge about Kpop groups you've learn throughout the last year might not be applicable to After School. I'm very certain that After School will continue but Orange Caramel's existence is a bit more of a concern considering how old the Orange Caramel girls are getting.

intrepid wrote:When NU’EST joined P101 there was a storm of protests from their fans saying this is a terrible idea and Pledis should “promote them better,”

The protest fans had against Nu'est participating in Produce 101 was just done out of petty and their own vanity. They didn't care that it was a great oportunity to promote Nu'est. All they can think of was how bad it looks on them that Nu'est has admitted that they wanted to be like their juniors(e.g. Pristin and Seventeen) and being relabelled as "trainees" when they've been debut 5 years ago. It takes great strength for Nu'est to admit what they have said as well as participating knowing how it negatively looks but LOVEs were too petty to see that, they continued to protest and also blame Pledis for forcing them to participate...LOL which is funny because Nu'est themselves wanted to participate.

intrepid wrote:with AS Raina is their main vocalist and while the rest are good they can’t carry the group like she can, she is the vocal anchor they need to sound half great and while OC “could” still go on if she stays in Pledis both AS/OC are dead without her

More people need to recognise just how important Raina is to After School and show her the recognition she deserves.

intrepid wrote:The other problem I have is both E-Young and Kaeun are just terrible at promoting, people say that their lack of profile is Pledis’s bad promotions, not true, they were promoted plenty, I’ve watched the shows they were on and they just didn’t do anything to stand out so didn’t get the air time they needed and were either edited out or down, in this show they need to stand out and while having the name AS attached to them will give them some guaranteed coverage they need to make sure they stand out enough to take advantage of it, something I don’t have much faith in given their past performance.

@intrepid While I disagree with fan's belief that E-young and Kaeun's lack of public interest and awareness is a result of Pledis' poor promotions skills. I also disagree with you when you say E-young and Kaeun just didn’t do anything to stand out while they were in shows. For example, E-young played the bass for 20 minutes in "Big Question" back in 2011 which made her finger bled and she only stopped because the show hosts stopped her. Also I remember Kaeun really stood out in the 2012 MBC Idol Wrestling Championship where she won second place and only lost to Yewon(former Jewelry member). Kaeun was also the MVP of another wrestling championship in an episode of "Let's Go Dream Team 2" where she wins the championship and she also faces off against her previous rival(Yewon) and beats her Very Happy I remember Kaeun(along with Raina and Lizzy) also particiaptes in an episode of "Let's Go Dream Team 2" where Kaeun remains undefeated but as a team they still loss because of Lizzy and Raina weren't as good at wrestling.

intrepid wrote:In short I don’t see any upside for OC/AS for any member participating in this show, win lose or draw, I don’t see how Pledis could make use of the greater exposure unless Nana and Raina stay in both AS/OC and the rest of the girls make a good enough showing to create anticipation of a comeback but don’t do so well as to get into the project group, this only works well for individual promotions not group promotion unless I’m missing something important, this is why I don’t see this as a good thing for either AS or OC.

The important thing is that participating in the show will increases public awareness and interest in them(i.e. as individual members) and/or After School(as a group) no matter how much that maybe.

intrepid wrote:So E-Young is opening a music academy… at first I wasn’t sure how this bodes for After School, on the one hand she doesn’t do much so probably needs to do something to earn money,

Given that E-young frequently has international vacations and now she has her own performing arts academy...I'm pretty sure she doesn't need to do any thing to earn money. At this point I'm pretty sure being an After School member is just a hobby for E-young.

intrepid wrote:When she posted the first couple of images there wasn’t much details but now the information has come out it’s in Chuncheon which is a city and not a district of Seoul which is what I first thought when I read it, her home town to be exact… E-Young is going home.

E-young may own the academy but that doesn't necessarily mean she's the only teacher there. Maybe there are other teachers there that teaches students and E-young can resume her After School activities when After School comes back.


intrepid wrote:This is driving me insane, I keep running scenarios in my head to figure it out but none makes any sense at all, After School looks like it’s already dead, the signs all point to that conclusion yet I keep looking for a magical out that probably won’t happen.

@intrepid Maybe none of the scenarios you'll running make any sense because After School isn't dead. In the last few years After School has been a sinking ship and lots of members has already jumped ship but from what I've seen the ship has stop sinking and is slowly and steadily floating back to shore Very Happy

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